Update Megaweek, Day 9: Herzog/ Kinski, Part 1

This is a post that's been a long time coming, a look at the classic Werner Herzog/ Klaus Kinski collaborations, already famous, but really put on the map for modern audiences by Anchor Bay's famous Herzog Kinski DVD boxed set in 2004.  It's been requested and at the top of my list for a long time, but I've been quietly putting it off because I knew it wouldn't really be worthwhile unless I had the UK Werner Herzog blu-ray Collection to compare the US releases to.  Well, now I've finally secured a copy, so here we go!  I've also gone ahead and updated my coverage of The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser, to include the BFI blu of that film to the comparisons.
Update 1/20/19 - 5/4/26: Werner Herzog has entered the realm of 4k!  Klaus Kinski has already has a bunch of his films released on UHD (Venom, Justine... surely some others), but Aguirre, The Wraith of God and Nosferatu here are Herzog's firsts.  A little technical snafu slowed me down for a minute there, but nothing can stop Update Megaweek! 
We start off in 1972 with what many consider to be not only the best of Herzog and Kinski's collaborations, but the best film either of them have made in their entire careers.  Kinski plays the titular conquistador, Aguirre (in fact, he plays the title role in all of their films together) who winds up leading a large party of Spanish explorers on a mad journey through the Amazon in search of a lost city of gold.  What makes this film such a success is that so many elements are operating in rare form all at once.  You've got Kinski, of course, who inhabits the role in a both over the top yet authentic way.  And his performance is housed within this wild documentary-like experience captured by Herzog leading his cast and crew through the actual jungle.  You can feel how much of the characters' struggle is real life experience being captured on camera.  And then it's all set to the music of Popol Vuh, who's always been of Herzog's super secret weapons, but here tops even most of his other scores, again placing the viewer completely in this deadly voyage.
1) 2004 AB DVD; 2) 2014 SF BD; 3) 2014 BFI BD;
4) 2024 SF BD; 5) 2024 SF UHD.




The jump from DVD to blu is big in all of these, but it's the biggest here because, disappointingly, Anchor Bay's DVD of Aguirre was interlaced.  This was a pretty high-profile, fancy boxed set, so even in 2004, that was a little shoddy.  Fortunately, none of the other films in their set have this issue.  Anyway, we can put that frustration happily in the past now, because we have much better HD releases now.  All editions retain the original, fullscreen 1.33:1 aspect ratio, though the 2014 blu-rays do zoom out a tiny extra bit, and frame the image slightly lower.  The 2024 discs readjust the framing again, a tad even lower than that.  The initial Shout and BFI blus seem to share the same master, which has decidedly cooler color timing than the DVD.  It's a step forward, since the old timing seems to have a flat, brownish hue to the whole image.

The difference between the 2014 blus is marginal, with BFI's disc pushing slightly redder and it's blacks are very slightly deeper.  Because it's going to come up later, I'll just say explicitly that there doesn't seem to be any black crush on any of these discs.  The color timing is still in the same ballpark for the 2024 release, but even on the BD, it's a little more vivid.  But where the latest release really shines is the resolution and encode.  Even on the blu-ray, film grain is captured and retained much better than either previous release.  It's a really satisfying improvement for those inclined to notice such things.

All the releases offer roughly the same audio and language options, with a newer German 5.1 mix, plus the original mono tracks in both English and German.  And they all include optional English subtitles, even the DVD.  Of course, the blus and UHD feature uncompressed tracks, with Shout in DTS-HD and BFI in LPCM for the monos and DTS-HD for the 5.1.
All of the discs include the one main special feature, an audio commentary with Herzog and moderator Norman Hill.  They did commentaries for a lot of Herzog's films together, and if you've never heard them, they're pretty terrific: very informative, engaging, and with no lulls or lost focus.  Besides that, each disc includes the trailer, and the blus also include a stills gallery.  But here's where Shout really sets itself apart, on both their 2014 and 2024 releases: they include a second audio commentary with Herzog and moderator Laurens Straub.  Yes, the two commentaries are often redundant and repeat many of the same anecdotes, but there are also enough unique bits to make it worth listening to both for more serious fans.  The 2024 set comes in a slipcover.
Seven years later, Kinski and Herzog reunited for the second feature, a remake of the classic German expressionistic silent film, Nosferatu.  For the most part, they stick pretty close to the original, and Stoker's story, but when they do deviate, it's delightful.  Where Herzog delivered shockingly authentic adventure in their previous effort, this entry is all about mood.  And we see a very different Kinski here, giving a very subtle and controlled performance in almost complete opposition of how we saw him in Aguirre.  In fact, one of the things that makes these series of films is so much fun is that while Kinski is so distinctive and utterly himself on the one hand, we're also getting five very different sides of him in each film.  Each role is an exciting discovery.

Now, before we get into the comparisons, there's one more thing we have to cover: the two versions of this film.  Both the blu-ray sets include the German and English versions of Nosferatu.  The DVD set only includes the German.  Because of that, I've got Anchor Bay's 2002 separate DVD release of Nosferatu[pictured, left], which included both versions of the film.  This is important to distinguish because we're not just talking about two different dubs.  Herzog actually shot different takes of every dialogue scene, with the actors speaking in English and German, and created two nearly identical films with mostly unique footage.  With that said, though, exterior and silent shots, that don't feature any dialogue, are the same.  So below, you'll notice two very similar but un-matching shots of Nosferatu reaching out to Harker.  That's not because I mismatched the frames - they can't match because they're two different takes.  But then the second set of shots, with Harker and the gypsies, are identical, because both versions of the film used the same shot.

So, here is the English version...
1) 2002 AB DVD; 2) 2014 SF BD; 3) 2014 BFI BD; 4) 2025 SF BD; 5) 2025 SF UHD.


...And here is the German version.
1) 2002 AB DVD; 2) 2004 AB DVD; 3) 2014 SF BD;
4) 2014 BFI BD
; 5) 2025 SF BD; 6) 2025 SF UHD.


And now, here's a genuinely matching shot across both versions and all releases.
1) 2002 AB DVD (English); 2) 2002 AB DVD (German); 3) 2004 AB DVD (German);
4)
2014 SF BD (English);
5) 2014 SF BD (German); 6) 2014 BFI BD (English);
7) 2014 BFI BD (German); 8) 2025 SF BD (English); 9) 2025 SF BD (German);
10
) 2025 SF UHD (English); 11) 2025 SF UHD
(German).




The differences between the English and German versions, in terms of PQ at least, are nominal.  But between the different releases, things are definitely different.  Let's start with the aspect ratio.  The DVD is slightly window-boxed to 1.80:1, an aspect ratio which is corrected by all three blus and the UHD to 1.85:1.  Again, there's no interlacing anymore, but there sure is a lot of noisy compression on the DVDs, which is happily cleaned up for the HD releases.  But it's a little too cleaned up on Shout's 2014 disc.  Look how smooth everything is.  Compare that to the BFI, where we see natural, if light, film grain throughout the image.  Shout definitely did some tinkering to polish their 2014 image.  It doesn't look terrible, or as distracting as it is on The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser, but it isn't as faithful or naturally filmic. 

Heck, the BFI disc actually has more grain than the 2025 Shout blu, too; though it's better matched by the UHD.  All three (the BFI blu and the 2025 discs) resolve edges and small detail better.  Also, it isn't too distracting, but there is some black crush on the initial Shout blu, where details in the heavy shadows which are visible on the BFI and 2025 discs are erased on Shout's 2014.  Both 2025 discs have a subtler, slightly warmer color palette, and their new scan introduces a micro-sliver of additional picture along the outer edges.  Honestly, I could see fans making a case for BFI's 2014 blu over Shout's 2025 blu as much as the other way around.  It's a judgement call with pros and cons either way.  But Shout's UHD, though not as markedly superior as their Aguirre was, is the clear winner regardless.
And I guess here's where I should bring up the fact that BFI also released a UHD of this film in 2025.  Given how their dueling 2014 blus bore out, you might expect their UHD to be superior, too.  That's the one I initially planned to buy, personally.  But news got out that it has a unique problem.  Their 4k utilized some kind of motion smoothing AI technology in their transfer.  Disappointing screenshots went a little bit viral online (here are just a couple links).  Apparently the German company that possesses the negatives did the 4k scan did this, and BFI didn't have the budget to redo the transfer, so they had to accept what was given.  Fortunately, Shout did pay for their own version.  So yes, Shout's UHD really is the winner.

But back to the discs on hand... naturally, the German version has German audio, in both the original mono and a newer 5.1 mix, and the English has English audio, in mono only.  Across the board.  Shout bumps the audio up to DTS-HD (on all three of their discs), and BFI has the 5.1 in DTS-HD and the monos in LPCM.  All of the versions have removable English subtitles on the German versions, but only the Shout discs (yes, to be clear, all three) also have optional English subtitles for the English version.
Special features-wise, it's a pretty similar situation to Aguirre, except every release also includes a neat little making of featurette.  It's only about fifteen minutes, but gives a great peek behind-the-scenes.  Otherwise, they all have trailers and another audio commentary with Herzog and Hill, while again Shout steps ahead of the pack with a second Herzog and Straub commentary (on their 2014 and 2025 releases).  Again, both commentaries are great, but casual fans won't need both.  The blu-rays and UHD set also have an additional stills gallery.  The 2024 set comes in a slipcover.
That same year, immediately after Nosferatu, Herzog called Kinski back for Woyzeck, an adaptation of a famously unfinished German play from the 1800s.  Here we meet a very meek, submissive Kinski; a working class man who's pushed around by his community, and ultimately becomes the agent of a tragic crime.  The broad melodrama of the play makes this film maybe a little less compelling than the previous films, but it's still a very effective crime story with some fascinating subtext, plus Kinski finds an excellent co-star in Eva Mattes, who fans would remember from Stroszek.
1) 2004 AB DVD; 2) 2014 SF BD; 3) 2014 BFI BD.
The film is pillar-boxed to 1.66:1 across the board, but the blu-rays pull out to find a little extra information along all four sides.  Interesting is the shift in color timing to be slightly less natural, but instead embrace the dusty yellow tones of the location.  Grain and detail on the blus are pretty close, but I'd give the slight edge to BFI again.  Speaking of "again," we have a little more black crush going on, though in this case it's very slight, in part perhaps because the film has less deeply dark scenes, but also because Shout handles them a bit better this time.  Like, in this case, I really had to closely look at screenshots to see if I could spot any detail that was dropped, whereas the swaths of empty blackness in Enigma were distracting to witness during my initial viewing.

This film only comes in German mono with removable English subs no matter which disc you choose, though the blus are lossless DTS-HD (Shout) or LPCM (BFI).
There are no audio commentaries this time, which is disappointing.  The DVD is completely barebones apart from the trailer, and BFI only adds a stills gallery.  But Shout steps ahead once again with an hour-long audio-only interview with Herzog and Straub.  It's essentially a mini-audio commentary, focused entirely on Woyzeck, that plays over a single still image.  It's about as good as the other audio commentaries, though being stuck staring at a single frozen image for an hour is a little dry.  The Shout blu has a nice, half-hour doc called Portrait: Werner Herzog.  In turn, the BFI set has a roughly hour long doc called The South Bank Show: Werner Herzog, which runs an hour in length.  They share so much footage in common, that you can essentially describe Portrait as an abridged version of The South Bank Show.  But there's some compelling stuff that Portrait lost, including Herzog describing an early memory that inspired a scene in Heart of Glass and an interview with Herzog's first wife, as well as lighter stuff, like Herzog training with his soccer team.  And there is a tiny bit exclusive to Portrait, too.

And for now, I think I'll wrap this half up.  Join me tomorrow for Herzog/ Kinski, Part 2, where we'll look at the other three Herzog/ Kinski films, and even a related Criterion release.  TTFN.

Update Megaweek, Day 8: Bergman Vs. Fellini, 8 1/2 Meets All These Women

Let's shake things up for the conclusion of Fellini Week, shall we?  Besides covering one of Fellini's best known and well regarded films, 1963's 8 1/2, which I think would be a worthy conclusion on its own, I thought I'd pair it up with Ingmar Bergman's barbed 1964 response, All These WomenWikipedia calls it a "parody" of 8 1/2, which I wouldn't say is quite accurate, and theretroset.com describes it as "a plot largely inspired by Federico Fellini's 8 1/2," which is getting warmer.  The relationship between the two films is both more distant and indirect, yet more critically pointed than that.  On the surface, they're entirely different and essentially unrelated, but the film seems to exist as a criticism of the attitude Fellini displays towards women in his picture.

Update 12/24/19 - 6/4/21: Adding the Essential Fellini boxed set edition.

Update 4/29/26: What's up, film nerds?  Not satisfied until your Fellini is in 4k?  Me neither!  I got your back with Criterion's 2024 UHD release of 8 1/2.  What's that?  Not nerdy enough?  Well, guess what?  Since it's Update Megaweek, I went back and wrote a whole, long thing on the 1986 version of Northanger Abbey.  How ya like me now?
There have been other filmmakers to wrestle with 8 1/2 as well.  Peter Greenaway's 8 1/2 Women is an obvious one, and Woody Allen practically remade the film with Stardust Memories.  And it's been argued that nearly any self-reflexive film about filmmaking is inherently some sort of nod to 8 1/2, from The Pickle to Lucio Fulci's Cat In the Brain.  Now, it has to be said that Fellini didn't exactly invent narrative movies about movie making... a couple of the more obvious examples include Singin' In the Rain, Sullivan's Travels and heck, even King Kong.  But he definitely blurred the meta lines even further between the picture and the frame by making his movie about his own (albeit somewhat fictionalized) specific struggles to create the particular film we're watching, and we meet multiple versions of the same characters and events: as they're depicted in the film, and how they're depicted in the film they're creating within the film.
But what makes 8 1/2 so compelling is that, even if you took all of that invention and novelty which causes 8 1/2 to be so recognized and put it aside, the film still works as a dramatically potent character study.  It's ability to capture humanity is up there with the greats, Nino Rota delivers one of his most iconic scores, and Marcello Mastrionni is a master at multi-dimensionalizing the role of the director, while still projecting a kind of unreal, hyper-cool Hollywood mask of a man as the same character - the perfect performance for the sort of conflicted, multi-tiered storytelling Fellini is experimenting with.  And sure, Fellini's portrayal of women here is... not great.  I mean, to some degree I'd argue that the most infamous scene, where Mastrionni whips at the women in his life who are all living in a personal harem isn't a depiction of a literal man and whipping actual women but someone fighting with the images he has of them in his own mind.  It's clear in the film this isn't meant to happen outside of his own head, and there are a few nods towards objective fairness pushing back against the character's sexism (for example, Mastrionni is told he's being a hypocrite because he, too, has past the age that he considers worthy of amorous obsession).  But, yeah, to watch it today, you do have to bear in mind that this was made by an older man in 1960's Italy when the culture was still struggling with equal rights and its relationship to women (the International Feminist Collective wasn't even started there until almost a decade later); Bergman wasn't keying into nuthin'.
So now 8 1/2's history on US DVD has a bit of a curve ball in it.  Criterion first issued it in 2001 as a 2-disc special edition.  And when it was time for the film to come out on blu, Criterion was ready with their 2010 blu, with additional extras and everything.  Standard story.  Oh, and they also included a barebones edition in vol 5 of their hefty Essential Art House DVD sets.  But for whatever reason, in 2002, Image also released 8 1/2 on DVD in the US.  Widescreen, but no extras, single disc, just a year after Criterion's.  Why?  As a budget alternative?  Maybe, but it's list price wasn't particularly low.  The rights for 8 1/2 must've just been a little freer than usual, I guess.  You don't see that happening with most other Criterion titles.  Anyway, it's an odd little curiosity, so I just had to get all three versions to compare for Fellini Week.  And then, of course, I also had to include the new and improved 2020 BD edition, still only available in their Essential Fellini box set. and their latest 4k Ultra HD set from 2024.
1) 2001 Criterion DVD, 2) 2002 Image DVD, 3) 2010 Criterion BD,
4) 2020 Criterion BD, 5) 2024 Criterion BD, 6) 2024 Criterion UHD.





First off, there's nothing egregiously wrong with any edition.  They're all uncut, widescreen, anamorphic and progressive (as opposed to interlaced).  Size-wise, though, each iteration of 8 1/2 seems to fluctuate a bit.  Criterion started us off with a reasonably credible aspect ratio of 1.78:1, just slightly windowboxed to protect for overscan, as Criterion was wont to do in their early days.  Image's DVD then zooms in tighter for a clearly inaccurate AR 1.75:1.  In 2010, then Criterion widened their image even further to 1.85:1, revealing more on all four sides compared to Image's disc, but primarily just on the left compared to their initial DVD.  Criterion's DVD is a bit brighter than the others, and Image's has dirt and debris (look at Barbara Steele's cheek) that Criterion cleaned up.

As for the HD, well, Criterion's booklet tells us the blu was "created on a Spirit Datacine from a restored 35mm fine grain master positive made from the original negative."  And it's obviously a substantial boost in clarity compared to the DVDs, which look fairly equivalent in this regard.  But in terms of film grain and fine detail, well it's inconsistently captured and occasionally blocky, and some shots seem to have been artificially sharpened or otherwise tinkered with... A thoroughly satisfying upgrade in 2010, but not quite up to the top standards of today.
ltr: 2010 Criterion BD, 2020 Criterion BD.
Criterion's 2020 blu is a 4k scan taken from the original 35mm camera negative.  Probably the first thing you'll notice is brighter shadows, revealing detail that was harder to discern (though to be fair, wasn't crushed) on the older disc without over-brightening the whole picture.  Still matted to 1.85:1, the framing pulls out to reveal even more picture.  The slight blocky pixelation I mentioned has been improved, and the tinkering (you won't notice it in the shot of Barbara, but look at Marcello and the tiles behind him in the first set of shots) is gone, which is a relief.  Look at the haloing on the left.  So, yes, it's now been brought up to the standards of today.

...Which is why I was so surprised to see the haloing back in 2024!  Yes, for whatever reason, the 2024 2-disc doesn't include a new blu, or even the 2020 blu, but the old 2010 blu.  WTF?  Fortunately, it's just the secondary disc packaged with a superior, next gen disc.  So I'll only really use the 1080p disc for the extras.  But if you haven't gone 4k yet, be prepared not to get the newer transfer in the latest set.  The important thing is that the UHD has the new scan, and on an actual 4k disc, making it the best available version available.  No HDR, but grain is much clearer and more distinct, and the boost in resolution is genuine for anyone with a set big enough to appreciate it. 

All these editions simply offer the original Italian mono track with optional English subtitles, though the blu-rays and UHD bump it up to lossless LPCM and take a second pass at translating the subs for a more natural, grammatical read.
Fellini: A Director's Notebook
Image's DVD is barebones - not even the trailer - but Criterion gives this film the treatment it deserves.  Their 2-disc set starts out with an enthusiastic introduction by Terry Gilliam, followed by an audio commentary by Fellini's friend Gideon Bachmann combined with essays by scholar Antonio Monda read by an actress.  It's quite impressive, but not so much as the inclusion of Fellini: A Director's Notebook, a 1969 TV movie by Fellini where he goes over his process of making films.  I've seen this described as a documentary, but in fact, it's as fanciful and unreal as Roma or Intervista, with scenes of truckers magically becoming Roman centurions and a host of far-out characters who are presented as being authentic (i.e. hippies who've crashed his film set) but are clearly actors playing scripted roles.  Unfortunately, the picture quality leaves a lot to be desired [see above], but the impression I get is that we're lucky any version of it survives at all.

Anyway, that's far from all.  There's a substantial, 48 minute documentary on Nino Rota, and excellent on-camera interviews with Sandra Milo, Lina Wertmüller and cinematographer Vittorio Storaro.  There are also two photo galleries, the trailer, and a booklet with notes by Fellini himself, Tullio Kezich and Alexander Sesonske.  Criterion's blu, then, includes all of that but also adds a new, almost hour long documentary about Fellini's original intended ending for the film (including photos) and all the changes that were made along the way.

The 2020 blu has all the same extras (except technically, Fellini's Notebook has been moved to another disc in the set), with nothing new except, you know, all the other films and stuff in the collection.  But nothing more for 8 1/2.  And the same goes for the 2024 combopack, nothing new, nothing taken away.  In fact, that may well be why they gave us the 2010 BD instead of the 2024 BD: because Notebook was moved off the 2020 BD and they didn't want to lose any extras in 2024.  So, um, thanks?
Now the first time I saw All These Women, I wasn't aware of any connection to Fellini.  Roger Ebert famously called this the worst film Bergman ever made, and I wonder if he knew the intention either.  Because it's certainly never overtly stated, or even hinted at enough to suggest Bergman could feel the audience has to be acquainted with 8 1/2 to appreciate All These Women.  There's no nod to the meta aspect of 8 1/2 at all, nobody's a filmmaker or speaks of filmmaking in the story, and the look and tone of the film are worlds apart.  This one's about a stuffy music critic who arrives at the estate of a revered composer to interview him, but is constantly being lead around and misdirected by the collection of devoted women who all live there with him.  The women in 8 1/2 never all lived with the director like that, or fawned over him in such a way, except in that one sequence which was presented as a fantasy.  So the attitude Bergman seems to be rebelling against (and arguably with delusional levels of hypocrisy, given what we know of his own love life and relationships with his various leading ladies) is more just a general attitude, which could be found in any number of films just as much, if not moreso, than in 8 1/2.  But still, revisiting All These Women with Bergman's targeted intentions in mind, things do feel a little clearer and the satire a little more pointed.
This film's certainly an odd duck.  It has a very still look, almost like a film in tableau, where the camera delicately frames each shot and then does not move until the next scene.  This style is nothing like what we see in 8 1/2, so it doesn't come from that, but it's a style that absolutely draws attention to itself (including one or two sequences in black and white).  The script was actually co-written by one of Bergman's greatest actors, Erland Josephson, who doesn't appear in this one.  But we do get both Andersson sisters and the criminally underrated Eva Dahlbeck.  This is one of Bergman's rare comedies, a very heavy-handed slapstick farce, with the score repeatedly reverting back to the tune of "Yes! We Have No Bananas" as our leading man knocks over statues or stumbles down stairs.  It's sometimes amusing, but most of the humor (when it works, which isn't consistently) is more understated and hidden in the subtext. It's frantic enough to always hold your interest, and it's undeniably attractive to gaze at, so even if it's Bergman's worst film, that still places far above a great many other films out there with far fewer merits.
For ages, All These Women only had one English-friendly release: the region-locked 2004 Tartan DVD in the UK from their Bergman Collection.  But Criterion changed all that by giving the film it's first US release and the HD debut by including it in their massive Ingmar Bergman's Cinema boxed set in late 2018.
1) 2004 Tartan DVD; 2) 2018 Criterion BD.
Criterion widens out Tartan's ever-so-slightly windowboxed 1.33:1 fullscreen transfer just a tad to 1.38:1, which reveals a tiny sliver along the edges, but mostly crops in the bottom edge.  Criterion's book informs us that this one is a 2k scan of the 35mm interpositive, and while it isn't the most impressive transfer in their box (grain at times seems smoothed away, as if their scan didn't even capture it, and the bright white areas might've yielded a little more detail if they had the OCN), it's a huge leap beyond what we've had before.  Their BD displays more natural colors and much sharper detail compared to the old DVD with it's excessive contrast and a softness which suggests a videotape source overlayed with a little edge enhancement.  It's a fine BD transfer, just not on the cutting edge.  Meanwhile, the DVD was crying for an upgrade.  I mean, look at the first set of shots.  You can't even tell the men are wearing different color suits on Tartan's disc.
Both editions just include the original Swedish mono track with optional English subtitles, though Criterion's BD bumps theirs up to a heartier LPCM track.

Disappointingly, both discs are also essentially barebones.  Tartan threw in a couple of bonus Bergman trailers and an insert with notes by Philip Strick.  And Criterion... well it includes all the other films and generally Bergman-related extras that are part of the box, but nothing All These Women-specific except for the essay in their massive book.  An expert commentary or "visual essay" talking about the film's connection to 8 1/2 would've been nice, even if they couldn't have solicited any interviews, but oh well.
If it were any kind of competition, Fellini obviously won this round, but they both earned their place in cinema history.  Like, if you bought the big Criterion box but skipped All These Women because of its reputation, don't do that.  It's fun, just not on the same level as, say, The Seventh Seal.  And however much 8 1/2 might've gotten Bergman's back up at the time, his rejoinder couldn't have been too spitefully meant, as the pair announced a few years later that they planned to make a film together.  ...It didn't happen, but still.